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: chuck? >> well i would just say, in baseball terms, because it might be possible the yankees orioles game may be out of the corner of my eye in the middle of a series. >> and exactly, but think of think way, so game one, romney won, game two, had, had ryan won this debate decisively and there is no way to look at it the polls are split on this, some polls give it to biden, on substance abide den controlled this debate, a debate coach may say. >> it was important to the biden campaign hot to lose this debate, a draw, even split, whatever you want, however you want to look at it, it was about getting to the next presidential debate while not keeping -- while sort of lifting up the base a little bit and i think on that score will is a sense of relief in chicago between that and oh, by the way, there seems to be the romney bump, it is big in some of the national polls, it is smaller bump in some of these battle ground polls, so the built in structural advantages that the obama campaign had built up in the battleground states over since months is holding, sort of the levees haven't broken
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